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Flyrodva

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June 12, 2019
Has anyone fished the Blackwater River Canyon section near Davis recently? Planning to fish there and would appreciate thoughts on water conditions and what flies to use. Thank you
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Tazmanme

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Plenty of water right now , gauge is at 221cfs dropping but supposed to get a shot of rain tomorrow, never been down in there fishing, cause wow that is a tough in and a tough out, be super careful easy to take a bad fall down in there can’t help with the fly’s good luck hope someone can help ya
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MountainStreamer

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It's really tough getting in and out.   Whoever named it the "Gentle Trail" must have had a good sense of humor.   The only advice I can give you is don't bother doing any top water fishing.    The water is black and when I went I don't think they can see much on top.
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I have been in there over 100 times and wouldn't even think of going if it is over 100cfs. I would prefer 80cfs, but 100cfs is ok just makes crossing impossible. As said above, be very careful and make every step count. As for flies, Wooly Buggers, Sculpins, San Juan worms and egg patterns work best. Topwater is limited, but I have had some good days on top. Caddis, Humpy, green weenie or anything big size 12-14. Do not neglect the falls hole there is a good run on the opposite side of the boardwalk that I usually raise some with dries. Good Luck.

Edit: Stoneflies as well.

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I can check the CFS ive been in on. I bushwack down from Lindy Point and fish up to the waterfall. It's a full day, and beer and food never tastes as good as when you ascend to your vehicle.
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Flyrodva

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Thank you all for the useful responses received so far. Very helpful for me! If anyone has more to offer or experiences in the Canyon I’d love to hear them! Thanks again, all.
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Take plenty of water lol the sun beats down on the canyon all day with no shade
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have gone in from Pendleton point several times and it was always worth it. actually easier coming back up the trail than going down. always fished nymphs (hairs ear mostly) with good success. tough getting around when your down there since no paths on either side of river. let us know how you do.

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pattaylor22

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Best time for a Canyon adventure is Aug/Sept/Oct when the water levels are low... the lower the water level the better - not sure I would take the chance in the Spring.  IF you venture down the now, I would definitely use the Gentle Trail which brings you down close to the falls - if the water is too high, its easier to get back up the trail (or climb over the railing next to the falls... just make sure the authorities don't spot you doing this as its frowned upon). 

Ventured down there twice (2008 and last year) and had success both times.  Last year (September) caught 10 brownies in 2 hours of fishing (ALL catch and release) ranging from 6-15 inches, all on dry flies... beautiful fish!

WARNING:  I am 55 and in pretty good shape, and the Pendleton Trail/cliff decent and hike up river to the falls kicked my a_ _! Also made the mistake of getting down in the canyon around 230PM... fished about a half mile stretch up stream until 5:00.  Plan was to head up stream and exit at the falls.  Toughest hike I've ever done (including Marine bootcamp) was getting out of that canyon.  Took 3.5 hours - wading through the river and/or climbing over massive boulders, many the size of cars... no trails at all along the sides - list steep cliffs - forces you to boulder hop and wade through dark waters.  Good thing I had a flashlight... reached the falls after dark - utterly exhausted.

TIPS:
- don't do it alone
- take plenty of water and snacks (in case you have to spend the night) 
- if you use Pendleton Trail, plan on starting your exit out of the canyon at 4:30 at the latest... best to get down there by 11AM to give yourself a good fishing opportunity
- pack your rod in a protective case, as it will get damaged if not
- go when the water level is low


 
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Tazmanme

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Picture of river from Instagram , it really drops down in there guick

 
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Flyrodva

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Wow! Great info and insight and thanks for sharing the information and fantastic picture. The photo gives one a sense of the ruggedness of the terrain. My sincerest thanks to all for sharing your thoughts and insight. And, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I’m prepping for fishing there sometime in the next few weeks and will post back with news and information on the experience. I’ll keep watch on the water level and use all the info shared to hopefully help it turn out to be a good trip down in the Canyon. If anyone has any more to share on this thread please do so. Always interested in hearing more
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Not fishing related, but if you've never seen the pictures of Western Maryland steam locomotives pushing/pulling coal up the Blackwater between Elkins and Thomas, they are amazing. Locomotives on the front, in the middle and at the rear of the train.
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What the guys said, above, is all true.  Make sure the water is at its lowest possible cfs.  You may still have to swim for it in a few instances.  No place for waders. 

When I was younger, I decided I was going to fish the whole thing in one day.  Started in at the bottom end of the C and R and was gonna fish my way to the falls.  Boy was I WRONG!  I ended up climbing out just before dark about a mile short of the falls.  I was never so tired in all of my life.   You don't hike up the river, you climb up the river.  Up and down boulders constantly.  I've learned to never do more than half of the stream.  Go in early and make sure you leave plenty of time to get out.  Really neat place to fish, but be prepared.

Personally, I would wait til late Sept./early Oct. when the temps start to cool down and the water is at it's lowest before going in there.  Avoid this place at all costs if the water is up.

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Lots of good info here. Wanting to try it as I hear it gets stocked yearly. Never did it as my friend is much older. Also no mention of snakes is a good thing..
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Critter,

There are snakes there!  I don't know what the ones I saw were for sure as its hard to identify something when you are screaming like a teenage girl and running in the opposite direction.  I only saw a couple, but for me, it was a couple too many.

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Definitely rattlers in the area lol
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pattaylor22

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Only other thing I would add... as far as the stocked waters in the canyon... from what I understand (and I may be wrong) they resumed stocking a few years ago (after a long hiatus), but they are fingerlings only... its not like what they do above the falls and in the valley where they stock good sized trout to catch and take home for the freezer.  The canyon releases are approx 1-3" with a long term view on making it a sustainable "catch and release" fishery (it would be really tough to haul anything out of the canyon anyway).  The larger fish I caught were either from the original stockings years ago, or perhaps from some trout that were reproducing.  Much easier to catch a couple fish from above the falls and bridge where they stock, and take them home for a nice lunch :-)
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Critter, as above, definitely a decent population of snakes there, especially rattlers.  That whole mountain side which includes Red Run has them and it's not uncommon to encounter one.  Watch your step!
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Only other thing I would add... as far as the stocked waters in the canyon... from what I understand (and I may be wrong) they resumed stocking a few years ago (after a long hiatus), but they are fingerlings only... its not like what they do above the falls and in the valley where they stock good sized trout to catch and take home for the freezer.  The canyon releases are approx 1-3" with a long term view on making it a sustainable "catch and release" fishery (it would be really tough to haul anything out of the canyon anyway).  The larger fish I caught were either from the original stockings years ago, or perhaps from some trout that were reproducing.  Much easier to catch a couple fish from above the falls and bridge where they stock, and take them home for a nice lunch :-)


Blackwater is all C&R from the bridge going to the Lodge down to the North Fork, see below.  Don't keep them above the Falls to the bridge...

Blackwater River – Tucker County 3.5-mile section from the county Route 29/1 bridge in Blackwater Falls State Park downstream to the mouth of the North Fork.

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Hope you didn't go this past weekend!!!
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Flyrodva

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Well, I did try and fish the Canyon this past Saturday, June 29. Four (4) of us tried. The water level was about 120 Cfs Saturday morning around 5:30am. We wanted to give it a try and see what it looked like and do the best we could. We started at top of Pendleton around 9:30am. The hike down Pendleton Trail took about 45 min. For those have done it, you know how steep it gets in parts. The trail was washed out in parts, required turning around and going down backwards at times, and was not well marked in places. Pendleton Creek was swift and did not stop to attempt to fish that in hopes of finding a Brookfield or two. Kept heading down to the River. We got there and it was moving along at a brisk pace, tannin colored. There were some seams that looked fishable so two of us rigged up our rods (other two were taking a wait-and-see approach. Started fishing and slowly walking upstream with a goal of getting all the way to the Falls and take-out at Gentle Trail. Nope. About 150-200 yards up around a gentle bend in the river to the left, walking the left side of the stream was not possible due to deep, rushing water and large boulders. Tried going up into the trees in hopes of finding a passable way. Found a heavily-wooded trail with green diamond blazes. Very hard to follow and blazes were intermittent and hard to see. Sometimes we’d see small chards of ribbon that someone placed over time to help aid in marking a trail. The blow downs then stopped our progress and to continue on would require who-knows-how-much-time and where a trail would eventually be able to be picked back up, if at all. At this point we were down there for a coupe of hours and it was about 12:30pm. Crap out to the other side was not possible due to to swift current. We had wading rods but just didn’t want to chance it and we couldn’t proceed further upriver due to running out of discernible trail and pressing for time to find a portage around. Who knows how long it could have taken, even though we had headlamps and food and water on our backs. So, we decided to turn around and head back down to Pendleton Trail trailhead. We did run into two other young guys who were ahead of us and did the same thing. We managed to get some casts in fishing heavily weighted nymphs, buggers, crayfish, etc. But, nothing. So, we headed back up the trail. I thought the hike out was not as tough as going down. Got to the top in good time. The blazes (tiny strips of pink and yellow ribbon) going up we’re very hard to see, and sometimes missing altogether. So, one had to guess on where the trail was. BTW we all wet-waded. Just boots and packs and rods packed in tubes. It was necessary to pack in rods in tubes strapped to our vests and packs as often two hands were required to navigate the trail and duck under thick underbrush. I plan to venture back when the water level is under 100. Will be watching to see if/when the level gets to 60-80 as that is probably the ideal level having been down there at the 120-level. That is still too high. And some of you had said that above 100 is not recommended. You are right. But, we made the trek and tried it as we had made the time to do it. Will go back. It is good to have seen it so know what to expect. Thanks again, all, for your recommendations, thoughts, tips and insight. Hopefully this September or October the water level will cooperate. I’ll keep a watch on this blog and see if anyone plans to “make the drop” into the Canyon around that time if the water level looks good. I’d love to join you. Until then....
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I read back through my post above and saw a couple of typos. Sorry about that. Brookfield was supposed to say ‘Brookies’. ‘Crap’ meant to say ‘Cross over’ ...to other side of river. BTW saw only one small snake down at the river’s edge crawling on rocks. No other snakes. Did see dried large stonefly on rock.
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I recommend going in at the Gentle Trail unless the gauge reads less than 80. You could have fished more from that side, even at 120. It also gives you good access to the falls hole. Going in at Gentle Trail usually doesn't fish well until what we call the "hook hole" about 200yds down river.
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You definitely need less water.  As you found out, you can't go any further in spots with too much water.  A second option to access is via the North Fork down from Thomas.  It's an easy access point.  You won't fish all the way to the Falls but I've had nice fishing in there.
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SalVOLinus - you mentioned bush-whacking down from Lindy Point - hadn't thought about venturing into the canyon via that route... I would be interested in hearing back on the difficulty of that entrance point if you don't mind - others chime in as well... is it a more difficult entrance than Pendleton Point?  How do you think the climb back out would be comparatively?   Thanks! 
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I've made a lot of trips into the canyon and found it was easier to go down the right side of Pendleton Run instead of the trail off Pendleton Point. There's an unmarked trail over the hill after you cross the footbridge at the lake overflow.  It's been a few years since I've gone in that way and the trail could be grown up by now. Like others have said, the Gentle Trail is the easiest and gives good access to a lot of water depending on the flow.
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Now go read The Blackwater Chronicle by P.P. Kennedy.    You'll appreciate it a lot more now!

https://www.amazon.com/Blackwater-Chronicle-Narrative-Expedition-Randolph/dp/B01AGM5HB8/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=blackwater+chronicles&qid=1562092553&s=gateway&sr=8-4

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Flyrodva

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What’s the thought on fishing Blackwater Canyon this week, Oct. 1-7, 2019 given current flow?
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Given the warm dry weather we’ve been having I wouldn’t mess with em. That river can get really warm when it’s this low. It’s at 14 cfs at the moment
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Its definitely going to be more fishable levels. We are having warm weather now, but temps are supposed to be better toward the weekend. 
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