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Anglerhead
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    07/25/07 at 07:43 AM
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Published: July 24, 2007 09:34 pm    print this story   email this story   comment on this story  

Greenbrier officials back lake project in Nicholas

By Christian Giggenbach
Register-Herald Reporter

LEWISBURG — The Greenbrier County Commission on Tuesday verbally threw its support behind a Nicholas County lake and dam project that has the potential of solving flooding problems along the Cherry River while also creating economic development.

Nicholas County Commissioner Spurgeon “Jinks” Hinkle and retired U.S. Army Col. Ralph Kelly asked the commission to support a resolution backing the county’s South Fork Lake project, which has been in the works for nearly four years.

Kelly, who chairs the South Fork Lake Committee, gave the commissioners a brief history and update of the project, which currently is being studied by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. One of the flood mitigation plans calls for a lake and dam to be built on the South Fork of the Cherry River, about 6 miles upstream from Richwood. The project is nearing the federal dollars needed to complete a reconnaissance study of the Cherry River basin.

“Funding for the study was included in the congressional budgets of 2006 and 2007 which totaled $196,000,” Kelly said. “Currently, Rep. Nick Rahall has earmarked $60,000 for fiscal year 2008, but that hasn’t been passed by Congress yet.”

Kelly said the corps is using computerized “pictometry,” which uses satellite and computer data to superimpose over a 100-year flood plain for the basin to calculate flood damage. In 2003, flooding along the river damaged or destroyed nearly 400 homes and businesses in the Richwood area.

Kelly said a July 10 meeting between corps headquarters officials and district officials “OK’d the procedures and methods the district was using to execute the study.” If the recon study is successful, a feasibility study costing $2 million would be next, he said.

While several solutions to the flooding are being proffered by officials, such as flood walls, green spacing and dredging, a lake and dam would provide economic opportunities for both Greenbrier and Nicholas counties, Hinkle told the commissioners. Private homes, a possible hydro-electric plant and tourist-related activities would affect Greenbrier County because a majority of the project would be located in its boundaries, he said.

“Dredging the Cherry River would not solve its flood problems; I know this first-hand,” Hinkle said. “This could be a win-win for Greenbrier County if this happens. Homes on the lake mean dollars signs for Greenbrier. Please, we need you involved and it will take political clout to get this through. We need Greenbrier on board and we ask that you strongly consider a resolution of support. Almost all of it will be located in Greenbrier County.”

Commission president Lowell Rose verbally gave his approval and there were no immediate objections from Commissioners Brad Tuckwiller or Betty Crookshanks. Rose said a resolution supporting the project will be presented for a vote at the next meeting.

Tuckwiller then asked Hinkle if the famous Cherry River Navy was still in force, to which Hinkle gave a hearty chuckle.

“Bob Smith (who is 87 years old) has been slowing down as of late as the (commanding) admiral of the Cherry River Navy,” Hinkle said. “But I believe the Navy is still intact.”


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spinfly
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    07/25/07 at 10:15 AM
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Doesnt the Corp Buy a right of way around a lake when they make one to prevent homes from being built?


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browntrout
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    07/25/07 at 10:23 AM
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a few months back, I spoke with a guy from the Corp....
he said that He!! would freeze over before that place got a dam.

this is something that has been discussed for like the last 10 years...
although I would LOVE to see it, I doubt it will ever happen.

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    07/25/07 at 11:03 AM
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Where exactly would the dam be located. Since the current C&R on the NF is so close to Richwood I imagine it would be effected. Who has details on this???

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    07/25/07 at 11:27 AM
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the dam would be located about 6 miles up on the South Fork.
the north fork would be uneffected by this dam.

not really sure the size of the lake... but I know of a few really good
blue-spotted creek chub streams that would be effected.

in all, this would be pretty awesome...
the Cherry is already a stream that holds fish over all year...
i can't imagine what a tailwater stream it may be!



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AnglinsCreek
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    07/25/07 at 02:03 PM
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Cherry is a good fishery. Go to Richwood during a flood. Compare the South Fork to the North Fork. Stop clearcutting ALL the watershed! That is what it needs. If fishing brought economic prosperity, wouldn't Richwood be well off now?

flyswatter
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    07/25/07 at 02:49 PM
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The corps of engineers never built a lake in WV where you could stand on private property and see water.  So there goes your economic developement!
Richwood???  Check out Hinton, Burnsville, Weston, Sutton, Summersville and so on...........
Whats the county gonna do to make up for all the lost tax money?  Nothing, its just gone.  The state doesnt kick any back to the county for the lake!

Dry buying a house if yours gets moved.  They use fair market value from the beginning of the project, which is 10 years before the first dozer blade is dropped and plenty of time for the market to boom up 300%.

Tailwaters and Headwaters are both equally affected by the gates who get open and shut more to sustain bigger water traffic than weather!  So when its nice and dry and they open all the gates theres goes all the water in the headwater creeks and the fish below get a nice "shock" to the system!

Flood Control????   Take a look at Burnsville and Weston in 85 or 86 after big flood.  Stonwall been there for a year, burnsville probably 15-20.  Weston and Burnsville flooded worse than ever before!

You cant leave the timber in the lake, the state wouldnt get any money from selling it and the big money boys would scratch the bottoms of there big pretty boats and jet skis.

Other than the bass fisherman or tailwater fisher, this does way more damage than good to the people and the county.
Bursville Lake has one of the nicest campgrounds around, holds close to 120 campers or there abouts, no towns or gas stations even close to it!!!!! (Still in business anyway)
Lewis County has two lakes, Stonewall has a Resort, 5 Star Restaurant, Arnold Palmer Golf Course and I cant think of one business that started or even got helped out by it.  The other lake, Stonecoal, owned by the power company, so you can own right down to water edge, or 100ft from it, has multi-million dollar houses going up!!  And this lake is tiny and only has a 9.9 or smaller engine rating on it!

No thanks, I'll pass on another Lake to do us some good.  Watery Strip Job if you ask me!

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    07/25/07 at 03:30 PM
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good points.

Then there is this.....http://www.katu.com/home/video/8685327.html

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    07/25/07 at 04:27 PM
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Anglins your saying that before there was any clearcutting that the river never flooded. HMMM dought that.  I am not supporting clearcutting by any means I dont like it at all even though im in the timber industry but I dont think clear cutting is the entire problem. 

Tim

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    07/25/07 at 06:58 PM
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I think you are dreaming on a tailwater.  More likely the lake would just warm up the water.  I can't imagine that it would be deep enough or a botoom release.  Nearly all trout tailwaters are hydropower

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    07/28/07 at 10:13 AM
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I can't believe that some people are advocating for a dam on this forum.  There is alot of good, small streams that would get flooded.  The last thing that WV needs is another housing development.  Pretty soon there won't be any green mountains to look at.  They all be dotted w/ houses.  Give me a clearcut over a housing development any day.  I'm not sure who owns the South Fork drainage but some companies do a better job managing their forest than others.  Westvaco has natives on their land and they clearcut exclusively.  So I don't buy the clearcutting is bad argument.  As w/ anything there is a right way and a wrong way to do things.  You can put just as much sediment in a stream with a selection cut.


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    07/28/07 at 01:15 PM
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there are sound managment methods for all aspects of industalization but getting the budget managers to do it is another mater .. all forms of construction ..mining..logging and development can coexist with the natural world ..now just make it cost efective and we wont need this thred on any forum till then we need watchdogs

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    07/28/07 at 04:51 PM
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Lee,

If its the same lake that was talked about on here several years ago, it was my understanding that it was going to be a bottom release.  I know of a water supply project on a native stream in Pa that was not detrimental to the brookies.....used be be nothing but dinkers in there.....now there are some nicer ones around. holdover in the lake and get bigger when the stream flows are down and swim back up in when the better flows return....(just a thought!) not to metntion the opportunities a bottom release would provide.

Later, Goldie
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    07/29/07 at 01:49 PM
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If this is going to be a Corps of Engineers flood control project, there will not be any houses on the lake shore.  The Corps has to be able to flood the lake area to control downstream flooding, therefore, no houses on the lake shore.  Also, being part of the federal government, they are exempt from property taxes.  So much for the thought of increased tax revenues.  That is, unless they increase the tax rate on the rest of the citizens of the county.  Just another example of politicians in WV trying to get the public to drink the Kool-Aid.


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