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flydabber
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    10/28/09 at 06:36 PM
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I've been wanting to do this just about as far back as I can remember, so I'm gonna do it. I've got a few questions on rigs. I need to know what # test line and what kind of wire leaders you guys use? I'll be throwing mostly Showgirls, cowgirls, Musky Killers and some big plugs. I really like to stick with Mono( mainly cause that's all I've ever used). Any and all advice is welcome.


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414blue
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    10/28/09 at 07:58 PM
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I've always used 65 lb Power Pro braid. Love the stuff. Once you use braid it's hard to go back. Knots are easier, too  --  the Palomar is pure simplicity. I use a short 80-90 lb fluorocarbon leader for crankbaits and a 175 lb singlestrand wire jerkbait leader for glider baits. I also use the jerkbait leaders for the Cowgirls and spinnerbaits  --  it helps cut down on the tangles while casting. I like the Stay-Lok snaps and ball bearing swivels on the leaders. Those items have worked well for me in my somewhat limited musky hunting experience. I don't think you'd go wrong with them...

flydabber
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    10/29/09 at 06:13 AM
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Thanks 414! Couple more things, I've got a good set of pliers and a big net( I know it's better to use a cradle and quick release). What else do I need? I saw something about wire cutters and jaw spreaders? Anyways thanks.

Here we go..... If I have to cut the hooks on a bait($10-25), can I rebuild them?

Can I buy parts to build my own? I tie flies and build rods, just thought it might be cheaper.




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    10/29/09 at 06:33 AM
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What color Power Pro line?
Outsider
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    10/29/09 at 08:02 AM
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DO NOT USE WIRE LEADERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  They do nothing more than scar up the fish more than necessary.  i switched to flourocarbon 65 pound leaders 3 years ago...prolly caught over 30 fish on them with no problems what so ever. The flurocarbon is much larger diameter than wire, and tends to not cut the fish so bad if they roll.  I make my own, 18 inches long, and will gladly give you a materials list to make your own if you like.  And they are much cheaper, and you get the satisfaction of making your own.

millertimefishing13
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    10/29/09 at 08:25 AM
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Well i had to cut the hooks off of my last catch and luckily had a lure with the exact same hook that i don't use at all so i just took it off of there and put it on my favorite lure. I also back the braid statement. I was using mono at first but there is not a comparison to braid. If you do get braid i would suggest 65lb powerpro. I tried using spiderwire stealth braid and other braids and they snapped alot on me for some reason. Haven't had the power pro snap at all with 10x as many casts and hookups. Also tie the palomar knot. It is the strongest knot i know to tie and sooo much simpler than the fisherman's knot. Also, when you do catch one , netted or cradle, work strenously to get him back in the water. I had my last thrity incher on for probably 3 minutes tops before we got him in the boat, i cut the hooks to save time took a couple pics and got him back in the water and he was already showing signs of turning up. I didn't cut him or anything. So revival is also a big key. This boys may be hard fighters, but they hurt themselves the way they fight so do what you can to get em back in asap! Good luck!!


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muskymike
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    10/29/09 at 08:46 AM
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Industry wide, most people fish with no less than 80# braid, power pro is not a great line, it has a tendency to fray and break.  Cortland is the best (spectron or masterbraid).  As for leaders, flourocarbon is the best for all the reasons stated above.  I use 100lb flourocarbon.  Dont forget, when putting braid on your reel, make sure you put backing directly on the spool to prevent slipping. Any mono will work for that. Spare hooks are a MUST on my boat, not only to cut when a fish is hooked bad but most times I put larger hooks on my lures, it pays off, also split rings, most are crap that come on lures, wolverine makes the best split rings, i use them on almost all my baits, especially on musky innovations lures (bulldawgs, realfish, shallow invaders)
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    10/29/09 at 08:48 AM
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Ha well that just completely contradicted what i said. I fish for em alot but not as often as u do so i guess that's y i get away with power pro.


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flydabber
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    10/29/09 at 10:15 AM
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Thanks everyone!

What have I done?
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    10/29/09 at 11:43 AM
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What have you done?  Well you just started an addiction and something that will drive you nuts at times.. Good luck

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Thanks everyone!

What have I done?


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muskymike
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    10/29/09 at 01:06 PM
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Just because it doesnt work for me doesnt mean you shouldnt use it.  I can say however, that I lost a double cowgirl and a shallow invader using power pro by it just snapping n a cast.  I wont use it anymore, just my two cents.

millertimefishing13
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    10/29/09 at 01:09 PM
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Muskymike, i see what you mean. That's exactly how i lost at least four of my musky lures when i first started when i used the spiderwire.. I haven't had it happen to me yet however.. *knocks on wood* i do notice it wears some so that's wen i just cut a big section and retie.


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muskymike
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    10/29/09 at 01:16 PM
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Yeah this definitely a great quick fix but braided line shouldnt do that, maybe now that shimano bought power pro, they will fix the problem  

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    10/29/09 at 01:21 PM
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I think ff4life and i are going to hit it this weekend in a small creek wear i hooked my monster the first time. I haven't been in a while and havent' fished them in this weather before. The water is not deep at all maybe 6 to 7 at most in the deep holes. What do u suggest? still stick with the small amma bamma that i had success on before or start using bigger things now like my gliders and larger bucks?


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muskymike
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    10/29/09 at 02:18 PM
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depends on the type of day, the fish are starting to fatten up so I would offer them a big slow moving approach, im using large soft plastics right now but in shallow water, I would try early or late top water, during the day, gliders or jerkbaits moving like they are dying (slow, erratic movement).  Cowgirls are always good so dont overlook, also try a brown shallow invader, its called walleye color they sell it at dicks, they are great for small rivers with a large population of suckers like many wv rivers have.

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    10/29/09 at 02:25 PM
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Thanks.. I figured i should go with some more natural colors in the fall. I don't really have any soft plastics right now accept for a giant banjo minnow! I will look for the walleye colored believer though.. this is all really shallow water loaded with logs and it's just a creek that is a lil wider than a two lane road so long casting is out of the question too.


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    10/29/09 at 02:29 PM
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Thats why you should use the fly rod silly boy !!!


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millertimefishing13
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    10/29/09 at 02:30 PM
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Haha i was waiting on ur input! since u've converted can i have ur baitcaster that u've used like 5 times and have my grandma back!?!?!


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muskymike
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    10/29/09 at 02:32 PM
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miller, sometime this fall you should pick up a lure called a Jimmy, made by muskyinnovations, you will have to order it online and is $20 but its worth it, buy in walleye color, river fish love it. There are no lures like them. Shallow diving soft plastic glider/jerkbait hybrid. muskytackleonline.com is where i shop, best prices fast shipping.

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    10/29/09 at 02:33 PM
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OK.. I've hear of it before because ff4life was tellin me about it one day when we were fishing.


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    10/29/09 at 02:35 PM
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I would joel but you always need a backup... that winter time smallmouth smuttly dawg might just crawl outta my box and onto a rod and into big bertha you just never know.


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millertimefishing13
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    10/29/09 at 02:38 PM
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Haha good luck throwing that thing on the fly rod!! U r fly rod only now if i remember correctly. I have an idea for my creation i was tellin u about... u can make the fly and i'll make the lure for spin material.


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414blue
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    10/29/09 at 05:30 PM
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All good advice. I've not had ANY problems with the Power Pro, but I don't regularly throw the big baits like muskymike is talking about. I know several heavy hitters in the musky biz like the Masterbraid  --  they claim less line noise on the cast and retrieve. BTW, I like the moss green color for the Power Pro...

Don't discount the smaller cranks like the small Amma Bama. I build one really similar to it and we've done well on the Mud River with them this summer and fall. And I've had real good luck with the 6" Jakes, especially in the Walleye and gold holo colors. They're great twitch baits. I know the smaller river fish like them pretty well. Do get a large, knotless net so there's less damage to the fish. While they may fold and fit into a smaller one, their fins get split worse and they lose more slime coat. It's also harder to get all those hooks free when you're trying for the quick release...

Welcome to the obsession...
414blue
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    10/29/09 at 05:40 PM
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Oh, and I agree with Outsider regarding not using STRANDED wire leaders. They will cut. The jerkbait leaders I'm referring to above are short (8") and stiff. Not likely to get wrapped around a fish and do any more damage than a spinner shaft might do. Good point... 

fishbamboo
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    10/29/09 at 05:53 PM
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The last big musky I caught was in the 70's on Raystown Lake, Pa. I was fishing a bass tournament with standard bass gear. We could not put it in the live well, we could not weigh  it, but she was 44" long. I was using a Tom Mann Razorback Pig crank bait (white coachdog) on 10# line. No steel leader. I have fished in Quebec several times and did not catch anything that big.


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bucksfan
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    11/06/09 at 05:49 PM
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I use powerpro and throw big baits and i've never had a problem with power pro. But different people have different experiences with lines and baits.

mikie
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    11/07/09 at 09:27 AM
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Fishing line is certainly a matter of personal preference based on experience. Let's start a thread: "Ford or Chevy?" and we'd get an equal diversity of opinions.
I got away from P-Pro because when I'd backlash, the knots in the waxy line were impossible to untangle. Started with SpiderWire and got better at casting as two approaches to the problem! m


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    11/09/09 at 09:08 AM
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80 lb Cortland Spectron. The Green spectron may fade in color, but frays very little and remains strong for a long time.  I have tried most other brands. (Power pro , Tuff line, Gorilla Braid and so forth), and nothing beats 80 lb Cortland Spectron. Just my 2 cents.
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Mauser
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    11/10/09 at 10:50 AM
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I generally carry 3 outfits when I fish for the "toothy" ones. A 7' heavy outfit with #80 test Tuff Line,I use this one for heavier lures ( jerk baits, bulldawgs, and larger topwaters.) A 7'2" mid weight outfit with #80 test Tuff Line for  large crankbaits, smaller topwaters and lures up to about 2 1/2 oz. in weight and a light outfit with #65 test  for lighter stuff ( 1 oz bucktails, spinnerbaits, twitchbaits, ect.) I have user Power Pro, Spiderwire, Tuff Line, Cortland and have had no problems with any top of the line braids. At this time , I generally carry about 50-70 hardbaits ( crankbaits, topwaters, jerkibaits, ect) and about 40 bucktails & spinnerbaits .

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