Morningmist
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I took a 5 inch piece that was trimmed from the base of a tip section, and I've been torture testing it for several months.
The section was glued using Titebond III.
I put 2 small silk wraps on the section, one about an inch from each end.
I put a line in the center and coated one side with spar varnish and the other with spar urethane. (I've used both and I like the urethane the best)
My torture test started this summer, I put the test piece on the roof of an out building and let it bake in the July sun for about 2-3 weeks. It went through changes in temp. and humidity with no ill effect.
This morning I ran it through the wash cycle of the dish washer. When it came out I tried to twist/bend it apart, I even took a screwdriver and tried to pry the sections.
The piece still looks very good, there is no delamination. The only negative that I can see is the varnish did not hold up as well has the urethane, but the difference is very small.
My testing will continue. It will go back on the roof as soon as It starts snowing!
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fishbamboo
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Interesting, but think about this, some of those rods have been around for what 100 years maybe....You don't have to worry as long as you build them right. Any I know you do that for sure.
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luv2fish
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Interesting note on bamboo...
One a trip to Japan in the late 60's I noticed work going on at a hotel I stayed at. The scaffolding was bamboo and at one place as high as four stories. I talked to the owner about it and asked how safe it was. He laughed at me. They tore up old canvas tarps in strips and braided them to tie the sections together. He told me the ones I was looking at were over 10 years old. They were not Tonkin ,I'm sure. and most not much more of a diameter than a culm you would buy. I have wild grove of Bamboo on my property . I use them for all sorts of things . Some sections I have had for over 8 years and still use each summer for stakes and such.
If I was still working it would be interesting to put some sections in a weatherometer and do a rapid age study on them along with tensile and modulus flex data over time.
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That is pretty interesting stuff.
A little Research & Developement.
Looking forward to the results of the snow test.
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Gandy
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Keep us posted on the results. I'm pretty sure that if the piece you're testing was glued up with modern adhesives you'll not destroy it.
In 1946 Bill Phillipson, owner of Phillipson Rod Company, glued up a Power Pakt rod and submerged it in a tank of water in his office in Denver. When he went fishing on the weekends he would use that rod. It started out as a test for the penacolite glue he used on his rods, and ended up being a testament to their construction. This continued until 1972 when the 3M Corporation bought his company. The story goes that Bill fished with that rod until his Alzheimer disease finally ended his fishing days sometime around 1984.
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Youghiogheny
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gandy
Keep us posted on the results. I'm pretty sure that if the piece you're testing was glued up with modern adhesives you'll not destroy it.
In 1946 Bill Phillipson, owner of Phillipson Rod Company, glued up a Power Pakt rod and submerged it in a tank of water in his office in Denver. When he went fishing on the weekends he would use that rod. It started out as a test for the penacolite glue he used on his rods, and ended up being a testament to their construction. This continued until 1972 when the 3M Corporation bought his company. The story goes that Bill fished with that rod until his Alzheimer disease finally ended his fishing days sometime around 1984.
Bob Lancaster put a glued rod section in an aquarium and left it for 15 years and it didn't delaminate, but a whole rod? Hope it didn't have a cork grip.
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Gandy
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Quote: Originally Posted by YoughioghenyQuote: Originally Posted by Gandy
Keep us posted on the results. I'm pretty sure that if the piece you're testing was glued up with modern adhesives you'll not destroy it.
In 1946 Bill Phillipson, owner of Phillipson Rod Company, glued up a Power Pakt rod and submerged it in a tank of water in his office in Denver. When he went fishing on the weekends he would use that rod. It started out as a test for the penacolite glue he used on his rods, and ended up being a testament to their construction. This continued until 1972 when the 3M Corporation bought his company. The story goes that Bill fished with that rod until his Alzheimer disease finally ended his fishing days sometime around 1984.
Bob Lancaster put a glued rod section in an aquarium and left it for 15 years and it didn't delaminate, but a whole rod? Hope it didn't have a cork grip.
If it was it was probably kinda' slimy after a few years...lol.
From what I've read Phillipson had sort of a genius aura about him and was kinda quirky and held a grudge. When he took over as operations manager of Grainger in the 30's he had many battles with the office manager. She had visions of increasing the company's bottom line and he refused to sacrifice quality for profit. He won out in the end and, from what people close to him said, marked the occasion with Grainger's "Victory" models. When he started his own company in 1946 after his bid to buy Grainger fell through in '45 she very publicly made the statement that he wouldn't last 5 years. In his 1951 spring catalog all of the "5s" printed were oversize, and on his model "51" rod the 5 is almost twice the size as the 1.
It sure seems he had the personality to throw a rod in a tank of water and leave it there for several years. If nothing else just to defy the critics who condemned his rods because of the visible glue lines.
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Morningmist
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That's a great bit of history, thanks for posting that.
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caddiscrazy
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Let me fish it a year, that would be the true test. Man am I hard on equipment. I do alot of native fishing, crawling over boulders and trees, etc.
I single handedly destroyed an expensive sage reel in three months.
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