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secondcreekjunkie

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it was to my understanding that the westvaco  hunting clubs  didnt have rights to the posting for fisherman...is this correct? ive read tons of signs and it says no hunting.....was fishing a creek recently  and a guy in a truck came by (obviously a club member he was in his truck behind a gate we walked miles to get there)...he hollared from his truck u boys club members....i thought oh boy here we go....i walked to his truck so i wasn't hollaring back...and said to him do what...he said u boys club members...i said no...he said ur trespassing...and i said i dont think th club has the fishing rights...he said..well we still dont like u fishing...and i said westvaco had informed me the club didnt have the fishing rights.. and he repeated we still dont like u fishing....and i saw this was going no where.....i noticed a load of wood on his truck...and i said u been cutting firewood?..he said sure have,  and i told him to have a good day and walked back down to the creek and went to fishing...so am i 100% correct on the fishing rights?.....im pretty sure i am......and he must have knowed this cause he said they didnt like us fishing....well the old geezers on the stock streams that chase the truck dont like us fishing either...but thats the way it goes.
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wvflie911

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Posted Reply with quote  #2 

westvaco hunting clubs only have HUNTING rights, you can go onto the property to dig ramps, pick blacks berries, fish, walk your dog, poop in the woods whatever, but as long as u are not hunting they cannot run you off. if you have issues with these people get their plate numbers vehicle description and if able to tug a name out of these guys get it and go to the westvaco office in rupert and report them.

as for the firewood let them know about that as well, thats enough to get their hunting lease terminated for the whole group.

i had the same prob 2 years ago and went to the office about it and the guy that told me not to fish his GD lease was no longer a member nor were the other 8 guys on their lease.

hate to be a @ss but the heck with the greedy pricks!


also i think there are 2 in nicholas co that have hunting rights being they stock the stream on their lease. go to the west vaco ofc behind rupert post ofc and they will let you know whats open and whats not.


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RichMt

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Is the land owner Westvaco or Penn-Va??  Here in Randolph Co. Westvaco sold all their land to Penn-Va.  We had a lease with Westvaco and in it it was clearly stated that the leesee had only the hunting rights to that property.

However, once Penn-Va took over we were told that we could and encouraged to post the property   "No Trespasssing"

On our lease in Randolph County, you would have been trespassing.
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Posted Reply with quote  #4 
The Deer Creek lease has exclusive fishing rights as well. That's the only one I know of.

Like it was said, make sure it is indeed still Westvaco. If so, and not on a unique lease like Deer Creek, you have a right to fish. At one time you had to pay a $3 permit to Westvaco to fish, but no longer.

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secondcreekjunkie

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Posted Reply with quote  #5 
its westvaco...those little westvaco signs everywhere
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k9mac2002

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Posted Reply with quote  #6 

Wish I could have been there. I love it when people tell me I can't fish. Good job by not leaving.

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FishMagnet

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Posted Reply with quote  #7 
I have a similar question.  There's a native stream that I want to fish that runs parallel to a main county route.  At least some of the stream runs through property that is leased by a private hunting club.  Can I enter the property to fish the stream?  Or can I enter the stream outside the limits of the hunting club property, and walk the stream through the leased property and fish it?  The posted signs are the yellow ones that basically read, no doing anything on the property.  Thanks for any information. 

I got the # for the hunt club and called it, but a lady said her husband was at another property and would call me back, but he never did.  I assume he does not want to deal with me, even though I told the woman that I was a catch-n-release fly fisherman.  I was also told by someone else that knows about the stream, and that the hunt club is only ever there during the fall hunting seasons.  If I didn't have to park right along the main road, and if the stream wasn't so visible, I'd say the heck with it and try my luck!  I just don't think it's right that somebody can post property and keep people from fishing a stream that flows through it.  If it's something that's not contained on your property, ie. a pond, it should be available to all.
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retired48

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Posted Reply with quote  #8 

If land is posted no trespassing you should stay off!  Of course some people feel no one can tell them no.  Remember that many hunt club members carry guns.
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secondcreekjunkie

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Posted Reply with quote  #9 
im not even gonna stoop to this guys level and post what i wanna say to him
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Posted Reply with quote  #10 
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Wish I could have been there. I love it when people tell me I can't fish. Good job by not leaving.


Amen to that.
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FishMagnet

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Posted Reply with quote  #11 
Secondcreek and Crow, go ahead and 'stoop to my level'.  It's a free world and I won't be offended.  The whole purpose of posting the reply was to see if anyone could explain to me the rights of hunt clubs/landowners vs. the public.  The reason I'm even bringing up the question, is because it was to my knowledge that WV residents can't legally keep people from fishing streams that run through their property.  Residents own the land but not the water.  If you're fishing a stream and stay in the water, you're legal.....at least that's what I've been told. 

I fully repect landowners and somewhat hunt clubs...just wanted to know if anyone else has come across this situation.  And like I said, I'm attempting to contact the hunt club to get permission.  If I don't get it, there are plenty of mountain streams that are accessible and will probably just leave this one be, it's just in a convenient location close to home.  Feel free to comment, and thanks in advance to anyone who can provide an intellectual response.....and hunt clubs aren't the only ones who have guns, some trout fisherman also carry. 

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Buckwheat

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Posted Reply with quote  #12 


Quote by: Retired48 

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Remember that many hunt club members carry guns.


As do most fishermen, except Hipi, he carries a pen knife................


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Posted Reply with quote  #13 

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Originally Posted by secondcreekjunkie
its westvaco...those little westvaco signs everywhere

This doesn't necessarily mean that Westvaco owns the property.  Not sure what county your in but I have seen plenty of Westvaco signs on property I know they have sold.  Not saying Westvaco doesn't own it...... only that the signs are not a 100% guarantee.
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LeeO

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Posted Reply with quote  #14 
There is at least one Westvaco lease that  includes fishing - Deer Creek.
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retired48

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Posted Reply with quote  #15 

MOST fishermen do NOT carry guns.  Some do but not most.  MOST hunt club members carry guns.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by retired48

MOST fishermen do NOT carry guns.  Some do but not most.  MOST hunt club members carry guns.



Most Sheriff's Deputies carry guns too. If you are threatened, go get one of those. They are pretty effective. Men with badges and Westvaco officials pulling a hunting lease out from under a club are both pretty effective at getting you your fishing privileges back.

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Originally Posted by retired48

MOST fishermen do NOT carry guns.  Some do but not most.  MOST hunt club members carry guns.



Most Sheriff's Deputies carry guns too. If you are threatened, go get one of those. They are pretty effective. Men with badges and Westvaco officials pulling a hunting lease out from under a club are both pretty effective at getting you your fishing privileges back.

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eslattea

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Posted Reply with quote  #18 
I was going to say that 100% of Sheriff's deputies carry guns but I know one who does not on a regular basis.    

So nevermind I guess.
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JoshKeller

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Posted Reply with quote  #19 
our west vaco lease outside of richwood includes fishing rights. The only people allowed on the land are leasee's, guests, and employees of westvaco/loggers. we let people fish the creek and use the access road if they wish to just pass through though- 5 hours away, is impossible to patrol, and we dont want our campers burnt or stuff vandalized. 
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secondcreekjunkie

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Posted Reply with quote  #20 
retired  what makes u think some instead of most flyfisherman carry guns?...cause we dont have em in the window of out truck?...i promise u...some of the places i go..no way i would go without a gun..and not for people like u are insinuating ..bears...coyotes..etc..
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Steve

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Posted Reply with quote  #21 

I suspect retired48 has no concept of westvaco rules concerning their land, based on his responses.  
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Buckwheat

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Posted Reply with quote  #22 
Retired48 has no concept of anything judging by his responses most of the time.

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Posted Reply with quote  #23 

This has turned into a good thread seeing as how bodies have been piling up along trout streams as of late.  My flyrod actually converts into a fujiyaki ninja sword and is capable of beheading a landowner at ten paces.  It also makes great sushi and I use it to trim my apple trees.  They are on sale at Cabelas and free shipping
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k9mac2002

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Posted Reply with quote  #24 

What ever happened to some good ol' fitin (thats fighting for those of you that don't speak southern WV). Everyone wanting to shoot somebody.
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MTNhipi

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Posted Reply with quote  #25 

Exactly K9mac, just last weekend I almost had my trout taken from me by some old fart carryin 4 pistols!! Good thing I had my pen knife to fend him off.
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Posted Reply with quote  #26 

stay in the water...your ok....tell them to get lost....
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Posted Reply with quote  #27 
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stay in the water...your ok....tell them to get lost....



You don't have to "stay in the water" on Westvaco leases outside of hunting season. Westvaco property is open to the public for fishing, birding, hiking, etc. The leases are for hunting only in 99% of the scenarios. This is current Mead-Westvaco privileges which they have the right to revoke whenever they see fit.

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Posted Reply with quote  #28 

thanks phil..
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Posted Reply with quote  #29 
It's nice to know that information.  I didn't know that.  I always play it safe when somebody confronts me about being on property even if they are clearly in the wrong.  People lose all rationality when it comes to land.  It's like there's an inherent nature in us that must fiercely guard a piece of dirt and hoard it for ourselves.  We've all ready accounts of people being shot over such trivial reasons.
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Posted Reply with quote  #30 
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 We've all ready accounts of people being shot over such trivial reasons.
 

Plenty of senseless shootings happen, to be sure. 
Has there ever been a documented case of a fisherman being shot by a property owner, or by a lease holder?
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